cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/31142642

There are more than a billion PCs in use and, according to StatCounter, only 71 percent of them run Windows. Among the rest, about 4 percent run Linux. That’s tens of millions of people with Ubuntu, Mint, Debian, etc as their desktop operating system. I envy them.

Windows 11 has become more annoying lately as it shoves ads for XBox Game Pass in my face, pushes AI features no one asked for and demands that I reconsider the choices I made during installation on a regular basis. Plus, it just isn’t that attractive.

I’m ready to try joining that industrious four percent and installing Linux on my computers to use as my main OS, at least for a week. I’ll blog about the experience here.

It’s hard to give up Windows forever because so many applications only run in Microsoft’s OS. For example, the peripheral software that runs with many keyboards and mice isn’t available for Linux. Lots of games will not run under Linux. So I think it’s likely I’ll be using Windows again, at least some of the time, after this week is through.

However, for now, I’m going to give Linux a very serious audition and document the experience.

  • GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world
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    I started with Linux mint for my personal home computers that I use for browsing and some gaming. No need to tinker around with drivers or configuration etc. Ubuntu is a little raw for new comer.

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    Been doing this for a couple weeks myself and have had very few reasons to go back to Windows. In fact I haven’t booted windows in more than a week at this point. I’m using Nobara 42 (based on Fedora) because mostly what I do with my PC is game nad it’s worked great so far.

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    What is it with these people that when thinking of Linux base their decisions on decade-old knowledge and go straight for Ubuntu. Ubuntu isn’t what it used to be, competition actually happened and we’re all the better for it. In the meantime, Canonical F’d up, and Ubuntu should not be anywhere near the top of the recommended distros list.

    Want something that actually works, go Linux Mint. Have much newer hardware and want to game, go with Fedora or an arch-based distro like EndeavourOS.

    Don’t go Ubuntu. You never go Ubuntu.

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      Ubuntu is the only one that works well for me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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      💯 post-snap Ubuntu is legit bad for desktop. I feel like now that there’s an official KDE Fedora spin, that’s the best generic option for someone who just wants working Windows 95 paradigm. Mint is way better for printer support out of the box, but how big is that as a concern v other hardware that’s too new in 2025?

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      Also the expectation that you will use all the same software. They mentioned a screenshot tool not being supported. That is something that will obviously be os specific.

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      Seconded. I have endeavourOS on my desktop and mint on my laptops.

      Endeavour (arch based) is great for people who like to tinker with the setup whereas mint is ootb ready to go, with most UX features ex windows users would expect.

      I used to recommend elementary OS to Mac users, and mint to windows. Now I recommend mint to all, and to customise it to mimic Mac; if that’s what’s desired… As it’s just so damn stable in comparison.

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    It is a nice look into the switch from a perspective of a windows user. But since he is experimenting there is a also a lot of bad choices or wrong information.

    He gripes about things not going smoothly while replacing his whole desktop environment (when was the last time you replaced your explorer.exe?).

    And clamping to old ways of doing things. Which is understandable but would go a lot better with a little bit of guidance. Why force Chrome while Firefox was probably pre-installed or Chromium also works. Using Filezilla while Dolphin can probably do it in an integrated way. Using Notepad++ while Kate probably covers most of his use-cases.

    This doesn’t invalidate his experiences but it does indicate a resistance to switch.

    There is some valid criticisms as well though. The docking station that bugs out or KDE Connect that is confused. We can improve those things, but hardly force Logitech to bring their (horrible) software suite to Linux.

    Maybe he should give it another few weeks to actually feel that while his old ways might not transfer over 1:1 the new ways give him a lot more power.

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      From the article, I wish them the best but this line of thinking is not the Linux way:

      The first app I installed on Ubuntu (on both my machines) was Chrome browser. While Chromium, the open source version of the browser, is available in Ubuntu’s App Center (its app store), the official Google version is not.

      If you’re wanting to give Linux a try, you gotta be willing to let go of the Windows way. Chrome is not better than chromium because Google. Don’t complain that a specific app is hard to get running if you aren’t willing to try the alternatives, especially if there’s literally a Linux version maintained by the same developer

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      Yeah, when someone is interested in switching I always advise them to sort out their apps first. Many Linux applications also run on windows, the reverse is rarely true.

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      I absolutely agree with you. He should have gotten help from the beginning, so a lot of his problems wouldn’t have manifested in the first place. Reading his experience is interesting but it doesn’t really convey the willingness to use a linux based OS, or any other OS that isn’t Windows for that matter. Notepad++ is great but will not work on MacOS either and especially the choices in text/code editors under linux are immense. And Ubuntu as first choice isn’t good for somebody doing the switch nowadays IMHO. Still kudos for jumping into cold water like that and still continuing.

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    I beg of you: try something that isn’t going to shove a broken packaging format like Snaps down your throat.

    Try Pop!_OS or Linux Mint if you want something like Ubuntu, only not broken.

    If my first experience with Linux involved wasting time trying to figure out why the applications I installed appeared to freeze because they take 30-60 seconds to open after installation or updates, randomly didn’t work because of dogshit sandboxing, etc., I probably would have turned away.

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    I got disappointed in Ubuntu. You had to use ‘Ubuntu Pro’ to get the latest updates… Bullshit :c Linux should not have a paywall in regards to security! I will test out Arch and see how it goes. Especially now when windows 10 loses support in October 16th

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      IIRC that’s not accurate. You only need that “pro feature” if you want to be able to apply activate kernel updates without rebooting. Unless you have that requirement and an armada of devices matching that profile you don’t need to pay anything.

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      There was a time that Ubuntu was the distro for the masses! Their branding featured a bunch of diverse young people in casual clothing. That’s no longer the case. I outright recommend against it now.

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        Unpopular opinion, if you’re going to use a Debian based distro you should just use Debian.

        Yes, it is command-line/BASH heavy however, once you learn it it’ll make all the other Debian based distro’s even easier to manage. Only real difference is system directories are in different locations distro-to-distro.

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          I find the amount of terminal usage a given distro requires depends mostly on the DE. Gnome is allergic to features so you’ll need to bash it more than KDE or Cinnamon, for example.

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        I can understand that. Plus they had some tracking or telemetry of sorts implemented. Think it had ‘balloon’ in the name. Unsure… Quite disappointed ^^

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    One thing I always find amusing about these kinds of write-ups is how much the writer is desperately trying to replicate the Windows experience. It’s most exemplified in the section “Mission Center is the task manager you really need”. Half the issues mentioned in this section are effectively aesthetical, from what I can tell. Mission Center looks a hell of a lot like Task Manager. I almost skimmed past the screenshot without realizing it was not a screenshot of Task Manager.

    This theme comes back again with the section on KDE: “So far, I like this KDE desktop better because it feels more like Windows 11 or Windows 10. There’s a Start menu and a taskbar at the bottom of the screen. The Start menu pops up as a small box, rather than taking over the whole screen like the Gnome menu did.”

    I don’t own a Streamdeck, and I hear they’re really useful, but reading this section about Boatswain I really wonder what’s going on in the brains of the average computer “enthusiast” because if you’re only using the Streamdeck as a push button interface to launch Gmail of all things… I really want to question what, exactly, makes you a “computer enthusiast”. It also really exposes how little the writer seems to understand about “advanced” computer usage.

    There’s no option to launch websites,

    Yes, that makes sense. Since you can perform almost any task via the terminal, there seems little reason to have a “launch websites” function because…

    but the workaround is to just but the command to launch your browser (in my case, google-chrome) in front of whatever URL you wish to launch.

    You can just call your browser of choice using its command parameters. This isn’t a “work around”, this is base functionality of the software. I wonder if they understand that they could do this on Windows as well.

    I wish this process were a little more seamless and you could get a menu of preinstalled apps to choose from or a dialog box that let you put in the website you want. But this is a process that works and, for that, I am thankful. Kudos to the makers of StreamController and shame on Elgato for not having a native Linux version of the Stream Deck app.

    If you want to use Linux, then you should learn how to use Linux. Heck, it’ll even make you better at using other operating systems like Windows and macOS because what StreamController is forcing you to do here is learn how to execute applications via the command line.

    I’m trying to find a good, free PDF editor where I can enter text on a medical form I have to fill out. I’ve tried five different editors and all seem to have issues that make it difficult or impossible to put text on top of the form. Very lame. Any suggestions?

    Pretty sure both Chrome and Firefox can do this in the browser window. Maybe I’m wrong.

    Anyway. The closing sections are interesting.

    For example, StreamController allowed me to configure my Stream Deck Neo, but it’s not nearly as easy-to-use or powerful as Elgato’s own Stream Deck software.

    What is the measure of “Powerful” here, exactly? StreamController features a plugin system where you can build your own actions using python and their code library, which the Stream Deck software also has. If you can launch an application like chrome and feed it parameters to open a specific website, then you can probably tell StreamController to launch a bash script that does a whole list of tasks for you and more. I guess you’d have to learn bash, though.

    Community versions of software are a mixed blessing: There are community versions – apps made by independent developers – that fill the gap where first-party software lacks Linux versions. However, these are often made by volunteers who have other things to do and don’t have the kind of insight that would come from being part of the original hardware or software team. For example, AutoHotKey, a major macro app for Windows, is not available for Linux at all. There’s a community version called AHK_X11 but it still hasn’t been updated to work with the latest versions of Ubuntu, the most popular Linux flavor, because it’s incompatible with the Wayland window manager that Ubuntu uses.

    I have to highlight this whole section because it is mind-boggling. “There are community versions – apps made by independent developers […] these are often made by volunteers […] and don’t have the kind of insight that would come from being part of the original hardware or software team. For example, AutoHotKey” AutoHotKey is FOSS! It’s maintained for free by a non-profit foundation. You can volunteer your time and submit a pull request on their GitHub page. This isn’t exactly the “first-party software” you’re talking about, and it also shows you’ve fully missed the point of what the Linux ecosystem is doing, and its foundational ethos.

    This also makes me laugh a little because I wonder what exactly they were using AutoHotKey for? The most we get is: “I write AHK macros that select menu items you can’t get to with a hotkey in Google Docs or in Photoshop Elements or elsewhere”. If you desire a fully keyboard-driven experience, if that’s what sits at the heart of this AHK thing, let me introduce you to a little program called GNU Emacs.

    Too many ways to install software

    Again, fully missing the point here. If you desire a monopolized, centralized, authoritative experience where you are locked into the precise workflow as prescribed to you by private interests, then go back to Windows or MacOS. It is a fair critique once you’re well acquainted with the ecosystem, but it’s something that is only resolved through centralization and mass adoption of a single distribution method, and that is never going to happen.

    Changing Desktop managers is too much work

    I would say that’s a step up from having zero ability to change desktop managers but, who am I to say exactly?

    Code editing: There are a lot of code editors. I still haven’t found one I like as much as Notepad++ which I use in Windows. Notepad++ will run using Wine emulation but on my home desktop, which uses scaling, the font is too small to read.

    This shocks me a little. Even in the world of VSCode, people are still loyal to Notepad++? I mean, the options are infinite really, Notepad++ really hasn’t evolved in a long time. What exactly could Notepad++ be doing that can’t be replicated even with VSCode? I know that Notepad++ is at least less of a resource hog then something like VSCode but is that really a concern given the systems they’re using? VSCode isn’t even a great option, it’s just the most popular option with the most broad appeal and support. Again, you could be investigating things like Vi or Emacs.

    Logi+

    I have an MX Master mouse as well. I fucking hate the Logi+ bullshit, and it’s insane that you are allowed to create a mouse like the MX Master and lock all its functionality behind software that wants to run all the time in the background, and phone home to Logitech with “telemetry data” for “enhancing user experience”. I shouldn’t have to have privacy concerns regarding the mouse I use on my computer. I’m glad Logi+ doesn’t exist on Linux. When you set up the device on Windows it tries to automatically install the Logi+ software, it should be considered a virus at this point. I had to wipe my work computer recently, and uninstalled Logi+ after Windows was up and running again, and actually just used AutoHotKey to remap the side button on the mouse. Out of the box, all the button does is emulate a WIN+TAB keyboard command, which I intercept and change to Win+CTRL+S which launches screen capture.

    Phone Link:

    God only knows what Windows is doing with all the information it is nabbing off your device while connected to their operating system. “These work, but their UI looks very primitive in comparison to what you get from Microsoft.” Again, aesthetics.

    I really like Linux and, if it had just a little bit better support for the hardware and software I rely on, I could see myself switching to it for 90 or 100% of my daily usage. As of now, though, I’ll still be using Windows, at least some of the time.

    It’s funny that they walk away with a positive experience, yet the real takeaway is that “it’s not enough like windows”. Learn Linux. Learn it for real, and you’ll never need whatever you’re missing from Windows. Decolonize your brain from decades of Windows lock in. You’ll be better for it.

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    Nice detailed log of the author’s experiance.

    The one issue I have is the mind set. It seems to be from the point of view that Linux should be just like Windows and use the same software and hardware. If that is what you want run Windows.

    On the otherhand if you want to use FOSS apps, use Linux and just dump Windows. My family has used Linux for over 20 years and yes it is fine. But you actually have to want that. And no, I do not use Windows, MS Apps, or Google Chrome at all these days and do not use dual boot.

    Also, dual boot gets old pretty fast. Probably best to choose a primary OS and run the other in a VM. Yes, something like 27 years ago I started with dual boot but have not setup that for at least 20 years probably longer.